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So I finally made Rosa's Wiki entry. I kept it as "adminly" as possible.

I hated writing this. I tried so hard to keep things neutral that I think I intentionally watered it down too much. On the other hand, if I start writing virtol, I have a habit of not STOPPING. I'll let you guys determine weather or not this was written well enough.

I'm leaving this public because when I write about someone in a sense like this, I figure they at least have a right to know something's being written about them, and they have a right to know it first hand. At least, they have a right to have the option to find out about it first hand, instead of "oh, did you hear".

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samuraiter
Jul. 25th, 2006 06:27 pm (UTC)
Points for maintaining neutrality, 'Bus. I would not have been so kind to a renegade 'ficcer.

I often find myself wanting to bring that whole clique before a tribunal (consisting of myself) just to figure out what in the world its motivation is. Seeing as to how they are all my predecessors in the fandom, it would be nice to know why they went off the deep end.

However, such things are most likely not for me to know. Best to let them stay buried and refer to the pre-'04 'fic period as A Time Long Gone.
superbus
Jul. 25th, 2006 06:45 pm (UTC)
Apparently, they've gotten worse, to the point of (this isn't collaborated, it's hear-say) basically driving Summerwolf off the internet.

While I have no pity for Summer, I would like to think that blind loyalty gets rewarded SOME times...

But that has nothing to do with FESS or it's Wiki; in the wiki entry, I maintained my adminly neutrality. Here? All fucking bets are off.

And unlike the people in question, I do my shit-talking in public. Not behind filters and vauge, snarky entries.

(Methinks I just brought this into "personal" territory, though. Oh well, would I be me otherwise? XD)
willfor_iv
Jul. 25th, 2006 06:49 pm (UTC)
Summer left the internet because of real life concerns. It had nothing to do with Himitsu.
samuraiter
Jul. 25th, 2006 07:08 pm (UTC)
Urgh, I had to put up with that (low) level of behavior in Sailor Moon fandom. It makes me wish that I had the power to execute the ol' "Bitch, what?!" pimp smack. 'Ficcers should be better than that. ... I really ought to post the Code of Behavior somewhere.
samuraiter
Jul. 25th, 2006 07:09 pm (UTC)
(I mean bad behavior on their part, 'Bus, not yours. Kindly refrain from putting the hockey stick through my head.)
hezul
Jul. 25th, 2006 07:26 pm (UTC)
Uh, just wondering wtf you mean by "renegade 'ficcer"?

I'm not quite sure what you're shooting for with the modifier "renegade," because her fics displayed definite talent, IMO. If it's referring to the drama-bomb, well, okay, but I still wouldn't call it "renegade."

Nor would I chalk this up to a group "going off the deep end" so much as a fuckton of misunderstandings and things that could have been handled more diplomatically on all sides.
gunlord
Jul. 25th, 2006 08:11 pm (UTC)
I think a "renegade ficcer" is someone who used to be very prominent in a particular fiction fandom, but left it abruptly for something else. For instance, since I still write/plan to write for the FE fandom, let's say I suddenly drop all my fiction, leave the FE fandom in a huff, and go concentrate entirely on trolling GameFAQs. I would be what Samukins considers a "renegade 'ficcer."

That's just what I've gathered from my conversations with him, though. Samukins, feel free to correct me if I've misinterpreted you or something ^^;;;
hezul
Jul. 25th, 2006 08:33 pm (UTC)
...eh. God forbid people have changing interests or anything.
superbus
Jul. 25th, 2006 08:35 pm (UTC)
If Gunny's definition is accurate, I'm going to have to see things on Samantha's side on this one; I'd hate it if people held it against me that I found other avenues and interests.

Notice, half my FL no longer frequents FESS - hasn't even signed up for FESS4 - yet I couldn't care less.
gunlord
Jul. 25th, 2006 08:52 pm (UTC)
Well, I did say "in a huff." Leaving a fanfiction peacefully after you've grown bored with it is one thing, but leaving it abruptly or acrimoniously is another thing. When he talked to me about this kind of stuff, neither he nor I was very sure why these people "jumped ship" so suddenly from writing FE fiction to Himitsuing. Thus, why he called them "renegade 'ficcers" rather than just retired 'ficcers. Again, though, he'll prolly be able to clear it up better than I can ^_^
hezul
Jul. 25th, 2006 09:03 pm (UTC)
Leaving on bad terms with everyone there - okay, I can understand that being considered questionable.

But abruptly? Not so much. I've never felt obligated to explain why my hobbies change to anyone, and I too have found myself doing much less with fanfiction now that I spend more time RPing (among other things, but that's beside the point).

It's not like any ficcer owes it to the internet to keep writing fic in x fandom instead of spending their time doing y activity instead. If they want to jump the ship, that's entirely their decision.
gunlord
Jul. 25th, 2006 09:29 pm (UTC)
Mmm...perhaps. I agree with you in saying that nobody's obligated to reveal why their interests change, but abrupt changes of interests are kind of strange, because for the most part, what people like changes slowly rather than completely in the blink of an eye. For instance, to take you as an example, even though you RP quite a bit nowadays, you haven't exactly cut yourself off abruptly or entirely from writing fanfiction--I know you still keep an eye on fe_fiction, for example ^.~ From Samuraiter's perspective, however, it is a bit jarring to see people so highly regarded in the FE fandom suddenly drop it and dump all of their friends. I mean, when I started getting into Castlevania, I didn't just wake up one morning and say, "hay, CV is better than FE ^^" It was just kind of slow and gradual, and I still have ties to the FE fandom, obviously. Thus, why you and I are not referred to as ~*renegades*~ ^_^

Not that it really matters, of course..."Internet: srs business," as they say.
samuraiter
Jul. 25th, 2006 10:06 pm (UTC)
Oops, this developed into a discussion while I was elsewhere. ... Let me clarify. It is perfectly acceptable for a 'ficcer to change fandoms, develop new interests, and the like. That is not being a renegade; that is branching out. It is a healthy thing to do. Goodness knows I do it!

A true regenade is one who fails to abide by a certain unspoken code of behavior. In the case of FESS, this may be traced to a particular tenet. Traditionally, 'ficcers are not in charge of the places at which they post their work, and they, like any user, must abide by the rules of those places, as well as the wishes of the administration, provided that the administration in question has proven that it has the best interests of the fandom at heart. This establishes a 'talent and management' system that, under good circumstances, works rather well.

The FESS administration has never given me reason to doubt its motivations. Thus, the (re)actions of the renegade faction in question strike me as acts of bad faith, a slight against management by the talent. It is all well and good for 'ficcers to take their destiny into their own hands if the administration of a trusted archive is bad, but ... to do it with no coherent reason? That makes us all look bad, and I will not countenance it.

Moreover, the individuals in said faction have, in the past, escalated their dispute to zones outside of FESS, including LJ and AIM, in addition to never expressing thanks for good reviews, never responding to inquiries, and other sultry offenses. Being a 'ficcer means being courteous and polite, especially to those who host you. Behavior of that arbitrarily contrarian nature is fit for trolls, not for us. (Sorry, Gunlord.)

Admittedly, I was not present for almost all of the original dispute, but I have no reason to doubt the objectivity and maturity of those who explained it to me. ... That is my definition. A 'ficcer is more than just a writer. A 'ficcer is a representative, and must behave as such.

... then again, this point of view is rather antiquated, but, then, I date back to a different era of 'fic, anyway ...
samuraiter
Jul. 25th, 2006 10:07 pm (UTC)
Please note that I cannot spell renegade.

Also note that I mean sundry, not sultry.

Bah, too hot to type properly!
hezul
Jul. 25th, 2006 10:16 pm (UTC)
I was present for the original debate, though mostly on the outside of it. And my understanding has mostly been that....well. Fic didn't really have shit to do with it, from everything I have seen and everything I have been told.

Which is why the use of the term makes me go "bwuh?" My understanding - though once again, not infallable since I was peripheral to the whole thing - is that it came down to 1) people drifting away for other interests, and 2) personal conflicts that made the entire drift a lot messier than it could have been.
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