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Interview Update. Fuck the cut. <3

As stated here, I talked about a job that I was interviewing for today.

Mine was supposed to be the first of four interviews.

They did not do the last three.

I start tomorrow. They decided to start me THAT fast, and all of it CONTINGENT on the results of my drug and background screening; they normally wait.

Quite frankly, I didn't know I was THAT good. I had a long interview - talked to these people for an hour and a half - where I felt I was maybe too candid; honesty, from what I've been told, isn't necessarilly the best policy in interviews, and one of the things I told the person that will be my supervisor in the Applications department is that, had the CEO let Jarrett be fired instead of pushing to keep Jarrett (and wordlessly saying "Fire Chris instead", as when you say one of your only two choices is not an option... yeah), I'd have left right alongside him (in response to the question of "how was your work environment at Stevenson?"). She didn't agree with my reasoning - at all, she felt it was doing a disservice to the other people in the department, despite recognising that my integrity was sterling - and I felt if anything hurt me, that would be it.

Well, I must have said something right in that interview, because the HR woman came in and went "OK, we're gonna go forward! 9:00AM tomorrow good?". It's still a temp-to-perm position - I could be back at square one in three months - but my last one was, too. Simply put, with a chance, I rarely fail.

Not bad, if I say so myself. My interviews tend to be hit-or-miss due to my honesty and the force of my personality (in no way am I a wallflower, and I don't really soften up for things like interviews; I don't recommend that, BTW); either people are impressed or intimidated, and I figure if they're intimidated, then I want nothing to do with them anyway. Lately, I've been hitting - my last two interviews went beautifully - and it's mainly because I tend to go AGAINST everything they teach at classes on how to properly interview. I remember when I was about to separate from the military, they make all separating sailors - for whatever reason - attend something called a TAP - Transision Assistance Program - Class. Here, we had a few HR reps from high powered firms come in and tell us what they look for in interviews. Most of it seemed like horseshit to me - I was not a popular student - because of how superficial the process seemed. These people told us things that made my skin crawl:

- "You can only wear a white shirt with a black tie, anything else stands out" - I WANT to stand out. If someone is interviewing 10 people, I don't want to be in that group; I want to be noticed. Today? I wore a black dress shirt, black tie, black sneakers (Jordans, or what my girlfriend calls my "bling-bling shoes" XD), and a silver tie; my Aunt saw this look on Friday after a game, and said I looked "like an Italian mobster". XD

- "Goatees and conservative moustaches are fine, but no beards, even finely trimmed ones" - What the fuck? When I think of a beard, I think of beards that I want to emulate. When I get older, I want to have one of those Kenny Rogers, Michael McDonald salt-and-pepper BEARDS. The kind that are so full that they don't even scratch skin when you cuddle. That's a MAN'S beard; a real fucking beard! It's certainly a lot better than some faggy little fad-style like the goatee, or these chinstrap things I see a lot of hispanic guys wearing*. When I asked the talking suit at the front of the class why beards were verboten, I was told "they remind people of Charles Manson". I literally had to ask if these people were out of their mind, and that led to our next one...

* I have since found out that Kenny Rogers and Michael McDonald have both, in their later years, gone to wearing goatees. This has destroyed my childhood, and I think the only remaining alternative for me is to jump into a pit of flame. :(

- "Well, the issue is that you're playing their game, so you play to their rules". They said this a lot; it's almost like they were using their HR power to make their cocks bigger or some shit. The hiring process has become muddled so much with people paying to have resumes done, paying headhunters to find them optimal positions (I didn't get anywhere until TEK Systems noticed me; they're free, but on my own, I was essentially an island), and essentially buying their way to the top along sites like Monster, Career Builder and other sites that rely on advertisers and good advertising themselves. And with a shitty job market, and shittier economy, HR reps know that people are getting desperate. Furthermore, when an HR rep hires someone, if they wash out, someone has to answer. Therefore, someone in HR - who doesn't know shit about what they're hiring for, more on this in a minute - is always going to take the safest option; "gut" hires could come back and cost them their own jobs. Therefore, since they once again don't know shit about what they're interviewing for - their whole jobs involve filling holes within the company, and keeping everything legal, or at least "not caught", and that's the entirety of their job skills - they need something to separate prospective candidates to make themselves look good. A full resume will do that, even if it has more fluff than a gay porno set. But they go beyond that. We've taken to multiple interview stages, to the point where if you're still in the running by the end, you could have been hired by smaller places ten times over by then. Some places make you answer 500 question personality tests... and you can't leave the room until you're done. Then there's the stree interview. That's when three people surround you and fire off tough questions, and if you answer one way, they yell at you about the other. It's supposed to be an indicator of how you react in tough areas; I call it a hostile invasion of my privacy and personal space, and I'd fail when I hit one of them.

And speaking of privacy, kick that out the door. Companies are almost THINKING of ways they can get fucked over, and are preemptively taking steps to protect themselves from shit that hasn't happened yet. Now, they can dig at EVERYTHING; background, minor criminal history (they used to only care about felonies, now, even misdemeanours have to be recorded, weather you were aquitted or not; I had to put down my 2002 arrest for battery), credit history, etc. That's a sticker for me. I don't have a good credit history... at all. Too much free spending as a kid, and old hospital bills that the VA won't take care of don't help, so naturally, I don't have great credit. To think that someone like me - a man that prides himself on integrity - could potentially lose a job opportunity because of debts when I was 20 because "I could steal from the company to pay off debts" is insulting, and frankly, is a major reason why I am so big on chopping big business down to size; these tactics are becoming so common that people don't even blink anymore. Me? I blink like a motherfucker.

All of this combines to create a job search that is one of the most demeaning, insulting things someone can go through. There's only so much paperwork someone needs. There's only so much testing. Seriously, I was interviewing for practically entry-level jobs; Cablevision, I'm technically STILL in the "process", and that's to answer a fucking phone! I can't wait to have them call me back - and they will call back - to tell me to come back for another round of screening, to tell them "found another job for better money! ^_^" Therefore, when I refuse to back down from the things that make me me - my honesty, integrity, and personality - it can ruffle some feathers. Some places have dropped me in the past like a hot rock; some people say they want honesty, but that's only as long as they hear what they want to hear; selective honesty to appease their egos and what they view as the right way. Furthermore, when they see someone coming in, they want someone to join the general population and not make waves. If they could get a robot to do these jobs and not make people angry in the media and public, they would. So they want the next best thing: someone that just sits down, does his job, goes home and can put it behind him when his wife leaves him because he's become a soulless, corporate monkey whore. That... is not what I am.

Perimeter is a growing company, but my team will be small; I spoke to most of them today. Furthermore, it's a business casual environment (yay jeans!), and though I expect to work some extra hours (mostly after I go permanent), it's a company where I'll grow as a technician.

The question is do I WANT to grow as a technician so much that it sacrifices my schooling? I'm planning on going back to school later this year; I want to major in psychology, like my girlfriend and some of my closest friends (all of whom have said I'd be a natural). I realise I'll have to start at Community College, but I think I can still pull it off. recession, I might be talking to you about how the fuck you manage to pull it off. XD

But what's important is that I'm employed now. I can smell that XBox 360 - and my girlfriend's birthday present~ - as I type. <3

Comments

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recession
Feb. 20th, 2007 01:07 am (UTC)
You can talk to me about it, but I don't really have answers for you. XD I'm enrolled but not taking classes because I didn't have the free funding. I couldn't (see: wouldn't) pull out a student loan when I still owe $13,000 for my car, because I don't need to find myself in a painful debt.

The best thing you can do is go to the local community college when they're beginning to do enrollment and talk to a counselor. Let them know what you want to do, do their bullshit testing, and they can set you up. I've actually changed all of my college plans -- I'm going to do law now, I think, even though it's not exactly the greatest field.

Congrats on the job though, brotha. I gotta get myself into a better one now ($22,000 a year doesn't fucking cut it), but then everything else will fall into place.
superbus
Feb. 20th, 2007 01:18 am (UTC)
You're right; $22K isn't NEARLY enough for what you do. I know the job you do, being from an Aircraft Carrier; you could make more than that in the military, and that's saying something. None of it good.

It's insulting that you make less than I do, doing much less dangerous work. That's a problem with the system that needs fixing.
dmajohnson
Feb. 20th, 2007 02:01 am (UTC)
Curse you! Curse you and your job! T_T (At least you get call backs. Most places probably see the word "Texas" in my address, chuckle, and then toss my resume in a bucket to fling into some dumpster later.) -_-
superbus
Feb. 20th, 2007 02:04 am (UTC)
Dude! You're going into your own business! Don't fret!

If that doesn't work out, I DO need a butler... *SHOT*
laylea
Feb. 20th, 2007 02:09 am (UTC)
Hired? Congratulations!

What aspect of Psychology are you looking at in particular, if any?
superbus
Feb. 20th, 2007 02:12 am (UTC)
I'm not sure; I haven't sent enough feelers out to really know what IS out there. Really, I was going to ask you and Aileen what I should consider.

And recommendations?
laylea
Feb. 20th, 2007 02:22 am (UTC)
My overall impression for something you would be good at is counseling with a focus in human sexuality. Or children. There are tons and tons of stuff you can do in psych, it's not all shrink work. But, to be fair, I don't see you in a laboratory, nor do I really see you working with animals, statistical work or mapping out neurons; I see you more amongst hands-on work with people. Basically - what are YOU interested in? Psychology can do just about anything you want it to, really.
superbus
Feb. 20th, 2007 03:02 am (UTC)
You're right; laboratory work and statistics make my head spin. Always have.

I want to help people. I want to see what makes us tick. We're fascinating creatures! And I want to pick us apart and help people. You've seen how I pick apart situations and behavioural patterns in people in just my entries; that's what I want to do.

I'm good at helping people. I'm good at working with them, helping them see sides to themselves. I want to HELP. I want to MEAN something.

Basically, I want to be the helpful, caring professional I really could have used when I needed one as an eleven year old...
laylea
Feb. 20th, 2007 03:55 am (UTC)
You'll have to go through some basic and intermediate statistical classes, but it's a hurdle most, if not all, psych majors go through. Your missus can help you out with it if you run into any snags, I'm sure she's run the gauntlet already.

I see you going into social psychology and/or counseling psychology, from what you've told me and knowing how you are. If you decide to go onto graduate school, you will... well, want to take classes and know some of everything. But, I don't know if you're thinking of grad school - or if your psychology route will need it, even.

You can do college/uni as a part-time student, although their signup dates are usually shit (the scraps left behind by full-timers) - I recommend being a full-time student, even if just the bare minimum of X number credits per semester to maintain that status.

Do your research in advance and deliberate carefully. You have a lot of time ahead to think about this still, and even when/if you are in school, you'll be able to explore and hone what it is you want to do and how you will accomplish exactly that.
hinata19
Feb. 20th, 2007 04:03 am (UTC)
Congratulations, darling~ *squeezes* ♥

Hm...I definitely do see you working directly with people. I've been told that one does not learn much about actually counseling people in undergrad, and that's mostly been true. But in Abnormal Psych, the prof's shown us clips of people in therapy, as well and telling us anecdotes of his own patients, so...yeah. >.> So you could look into clinical or counseling for you [though there's been talk of merging the two since the distinction between them is becoming blurrier]. I do recommend dipping your toe in different aspects of psychology before really deciding on a concentration, though, as it's a pretty broad field.

And you know I do like stroking that manly beard of yours among other things but shh~ ^.~

Deeeeeeeeeaaaaaaarrr... /:| Worry about your own stuff! >:O
superbus
Feb. 20th, 2007 04:20 am (UTC)
Thank you, baby~ <3 Now I can afford to buy you better shit~ *SHOT*

Now you see why I was so interested in your textbooks. XD I'll have my Freshman year to see what's going on. Doing it at a Community College as a veteran will help; slower pace. It won't impress your parents, but nothing will, so that's cool..!

That's OK, dear, I like to stroke your hair, too and not necessarilly in traditional places but shh ~_^ :-*

I am! We can share~ 8D
rantmaster_mark
Feb. 20th, 2007 02:46 pm (UTC)
Congo rats on gainful employment.

Oh, and for the record, college is BLINDING PAIN. But do it and get it over with.
ike_mike
Feb. 20th, 2007 06:58 pm (UTC)
Heh, now I'm feeling good that I learned to not say anything the other people don't want to hear.
superbus
Feb. 20th, 2007 11:04 pm (UTC)
I don't understand where you're going with that... why?
ike_mike
Feb. 21st, 2007 02:46 pm (UTC)
Because it seems that I'll have less difficulties because of it when going to a job interview.
Although that privacy invasion is paranoiac.
And why does anyone want to study psychology now? XD
swordsaint0
Feb. 20th, 2007 09:55 pm (UTC)
Congrats, Bus; glad to hear that worked out for you.


I'm sure that you've already been told this, but where psych majoring is concerned, it's important to specialize in SOME field; a general education in it isn't worth much. Me, I'm going for criminal psychology.
samuraiter
Feb. 20th, 2007 11:21 pm (UTC)
Kenny got Botox; now, he looks like shit. :-( But the lyrics to that ol' song still apply to this most recent victory:

"Know when to hold 'em,
Know when to fold 'em,
Know when to walk away,
Know when to run.
You don't count your money
While you're sittin' at the table;
There'll be time enough for countin'
When the deed is done."

Congrats, 'Bus. :-) Hope you like it there.

(And, yes, the aforementioned shitty job search and invasion of privacy is a major reason while I'm still shelving books happily.)
suncancer
Feb. 21st, 2007 08:09 pm (UTC)
Good work; who cares about all those psychological details? You got the job.
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