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Don't speak too loudly, folks

Bush got exactly what he wanted.

For the record, Barack Obama specifically made himself a liar and voted with the entire Republican Senate.

Is everyone still mesmerized by his smiling speeches now? Anyone still have "hope"?

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samuraiter
Jul. 9th, 2008 11:24 pm (UTC)
*frowns*

I was initially disappointed, but I did a little digging. Make of this what you will, 'Bus:

"However, people need to read the ENTIRE FISA Amendment -- not just the juicy one pardoning telecom companies. Stop simplifying the issues.

The fact is, it was out government who asked AT&T and Verizon etc. to fork over their phone records and give them wiretap controls...and now they want to prosecute them for abiding their wishes? You think if they did that, the phone companies would want to participate in any other legitimate wire-tapping investigation ever again? Heck no.

Secondly, the amendment also PREVENTS the feds from invoking "war powers" during emergencies that could normally override our surveillance laws. It also gives the courts a 30-day head start on reviewing expiring warrants.

Again, I'm disappointed, but people need to read the whole thing -- not just the section the media are covering."
superbus
Jul. 10th, 2008 03:08 am (UTC)
I love you to death, but you and I aren't going to see the same on this.

- Our government asked private businesses to do something illegal. Those businesses have a right to refuse; the government did not claim eminent domain. Therefore, they followed illegal orders in giving up their offices to the government so that they could wiretap innocent Americans in the name of "protecting" them. They said yes because an ensuing legal fight would have affected their stock prices. That's it.

- Preventing "war powers" is bullshit; there are so many loopholes in that a first year paralegal could drive a truck through them. The President has the power to give standing orders in a time of war, and a bill like this is just going to be trampled when push comes to shove.

- Furthermore, Obama's Answer essentially proves that statement you put forth wrong. He admitted he compromised on this issue because the bill was "better", and that while he didn't agree with certain parts, he's going to have his Attorney General "review" all of the policies and surveillance programmes. Oh boy! More money for long-winded, time-absorbing "reviews" that get promptly laughed off by a united Republican party! Joy of joys! What... what a weak, pussy compromise.

Here's the deal: ANY bill that sacrifices ANY freedoms for law-abiding Americans in the name of protecting them is an abject failure from the time the ink hits the paper, no exception. I refuse to live in a surveillance society/police state because my fellow man is too much of a pussy to defend him or herself. If we keep it up - especially with what we're strongarming the UK into doing - we're going to live in a global surveillance society, and at that point, Comrade, the only thing we have to look forward to is chocolate rations.

What Obama voted for is just another step to that society. But that's OK, he compromised, right?
samuraiter
Jul. 10th, 2008 10:18 pm (UTC)
I love you to death, but you and I aren't going to see the same on this.

I know. It's okay to disagree on this one, I think; I'll be the first to admit that I'm forgiving a lot where Obama's concerned. You get your rights beaten up for eight years, anything starts looking good.

I'm disappointed that there's any kind of surveillance over private citizens, but it's been heading that way for a while, and it's got roots as far back as Reagan, perhaps farther. Sadly, the (dumb) majority seems to want it any time there's a new security scare. (Read Naomi Klein's The Shock Doctrine for a more thorough explication of this peculiarity.)
laylea
Jul. 10th, 2008 08:27 pm (UTC)
"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."
-- Barack Obama
superbus
Jul. 10th, 2008 09:12 pm (UTC)
"The ability to monitor and track individuals who want to attack the United States is a vital counter-terrorism tool, and I'm persuaded that it is necessary to keep the American people safe -- particularly since certain electronic surveillance orders will begin to expire later this summer. Given the choice between voting for an improved yet imperfect bill, and losing important surveillance tools, I've chosen to support the current compromise."
-- Barack Obama
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