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Here's a tally - as of now, via CNN - of all of the ballot measures that aim at limiting the rights of gay couples, with a few other key ballot initiatives thrown in, mostly aimed at women's rights:

ARIZONA: PROPOSITION 102: BANNING GAY MARRIAGE - 57-47, yes, 85% reported
ARKANSAS: INITIATIVE 1: BANNING GAY COUPLES FROM ADOPTING - 57-43, yes, 73% reported
CALIFORNIA: PROPOSITION 8: BANNING GAY MARRIAGE - 54-46, yes, 22% reported
COLORADO: AMENDMENT 48: DEFINING THE BEGINNING OF LIFE AT CONCEPTION - 74-26, no, 51% reported (yes!)
FLORIDA: AMENDMENT 2: BANNING GAY MARRIAGE - 62-38, yes, 95% reported (60% necessary)
MICHIGAN: PROPOSITION 1: ALLOWING MEDICINAL MARIJUANA - 63-37, yes, 74% reported
MICHIGAN: PROPOSITION 2: ALLOWING STEM-CELL RESEARCH - 52-48, yes, 74% reported (Go Michigan!)
SOUTH DAKOTA: INITIATIVE 11: LIMITING ABORTION TO ONLY WHEN WOMAN'S LIFE IS IN DANGER - 55-45, no, 92% reported (YES!)
WASHINGTON: INITIATIVE 1000: ALLOWING ASSISTED SUICIDE: 58-42, yes, 43% reported

All in all... some good things, but every single initiative aimed at hurting homosexuals is going to pass.

I find it funny that on a day we elected a black President, we're still very obviously biased against homosexuals. We still want to criminalize them, and we're using fear and hatred to do it. What bothers me is that this is a fight against organized religion. Organized religion enjoys tax-free status, yet actively campaigns, usually very aggressively, for their own agenda, and as stated by Barry Goldwater, these people are, in their minds, speaking for God, so they cannot and will not be flexible or reasonable; they're lost. They're nuts.

Yes, we've come far tonight. But we're not there yet. Not yet. And from the looks of things, not for awhile.

EDIT: EVERYONE! OUT OF MY POOL! The dispute between Paul and I is between Paul and I. Stay out of it, because though I'm annoyed, I still respect the man greatly.

Comments

trinities
Nov. 5th, 2008 06:33 am (UTC)
Hi Will.

Things like this make me glad you're Canadian. :)
superbus
Nov. 5th, 2008 06:38 am (UTC)
Bitch, who the fuck are you? Out with you.

EDIT: BTW, originally from Saskatchewan.

Edited at 2008-11-05 06:39 am (UTC)
trinities
Nov. 5th, 2008 06:43 am (UTC)
It's not that I'm judging Canadians, I'm judging Will for being an asshole who has continually, in the past week or so, made judgmental opinions on people who are outside of his views for merely saying them.

I'm Sam's (hezul) roommate. She mentioned he was being a dick, I popped in. I'm tired of people bitching about contrasting point of views when they're allowing people to be themselves, and supporting that. After we've done something so well, he's bitching. This is when he should turn off the computer and let the rest of us fret.

That's the bottom-line. I was opinionated, I said my part, that's it. But sorry for popping in.
superbus
Nov. 5th, 2008 06:47 am (UTC)
Well, my mistake on being confused, I thought Will's friends were popping in (which would be uninvited on his part; he's above that). I reacted to that, and I apologize.

Still, I do maintain what I said above; this is between Paul and I, and I would ask everyone getting involved, including Sam, to please keep it that way.

EDIT: I think Paul's being less judgemental than he is just defending himself; I think he feels his entire lifestyle is under attack. And I might have reacted the same way if I saw things the past three weeks that said that, for instance, everyone that voted for Prop 8/Amendment 2 was a sinner and going to hell.

I disagree with him. That's all. And I don't hold this spat against him.

Edited at 2008-11-05 06:48 am (UTC)
trinities
Nov. 5th, 2008 07:05 am (UTC)
No, I'm not a friend of his. If I was a Canadian, I'd be hoping he'd end up gaining citizenship elsewhere.

As it is, he might be defending his views, but I don't agree with anyone who thinks that way. I'm tired of having my views, my opinions, my very being repressed in a world that says it wants to go beyond that. So, I guess I get pretty ragey when I see someone defending those people, as if their beliefs are justified.

People can vote Conservative, but when it comes to blocking views, limiting people from living their lives the way they want ... I can't stand it.
superbus
Nov. 5th, 2008 07:17 am (UTC)
No, I'm not a friend of his. If I was a Canadian, I'd be hoping he'd end up gaining citizenship elsewhere.

That's a HORRIBLE way of looking at that. What you just said is that if someone doesn't agree with you, you want them to leave the country. To get out of your sandbox.

Well, I have to admit: I'm not really excited about the way Congress looks right now. The Democrats have a near-perfect majority in the Senate, a heavy edge in the House, and - this one's key - a Speaker of the House that makes my blood boil (Nancy Pelosi). We could easily go WAY too far the other direction.

We NEED people on the other side of that divide to keep balance. Now, do I think that abortion rights and rights for homosexuals need "balance"? Only as much as what other people and couples have; no more, no less. But I don't want to see them going the other way, either; remember, Affirmative Action, in all areas that it's being voted on, is being defeated, and that's for a reason, because something intended to help people was taken the complete opposite direction and ended up legitimately hurting others.

Your words indicate that you wish harm - or at least, a cleansing - against those that disagree with your view. We NEED less divisive politics in this country, not more; that's on BOTH sides of the fence. And though the people more extreme than Will are problematic, we need to bring them around properly. If I remember right, that was the main crux of the campaign of the man we just elected President.
otosaretatenshi
Nov. 5th, 2008 11:45 pm (UTC)
Someone I know once said, "We should make the US two different countries for Republicans and Democrats"

Someone else then replied, "Yeah, we called that the north and the south at one time."