The Catholic's Pope says that protecting the world from homosexuality and transgenderism is as important as protecting the environment.
Unreal. I cannot fucking believe he said this. See, normally, this wouldn't bother me; someone else hates gay people, yay, join the fucking club. But in a year where Proposition 8 and Ammendment 2 passed due to heavy influence and lies from the Churches (primarily the Mormons in CA), hateful homophobia is nearing a high in America, and even in Connecticut "pro family" groups continue to push for legislation eliminating the right for gays to marry or unionize despite polls stating that 2/3 the state would vote against legislation that harms gay marriage, and despite a resounding defeat of a measure that was so transparently worded that it fooled ME.
All this Kraut did was justify gay bashing, gay hating, and gave everyone from the nutjobs to the moderates even more reason to continue to make homosexuals second rate citizens. I've said before that these people won't stop until homosexuality is criminalized throughout America; now, they have even more ammunition, and from the top as well. Let me give a little lesson to you, Benny: if we prevent homosexuality, we affect a small group of people from being allowed to love or be with whoever they want. If we forget the environment, EVERYBODY DIES. But that's OK, since anyone that campaigns against gays is going to heaven, and those of us that actually believe in equality are going to hell, right? Right?
You fuckers want to go to extremes? Here's an extreme: the Catholic Church, and by extension the Mormon Church (who are hypocrites; it's OK to marry 10 women, but not one man. LOL), are hate organizations. How about that, fuckers. And now that I've made Dale and Paul go kaboom as well, I've done my work.
Unreal. I cannot fucking believe he said this. See, normally, this wouldn't bother me; someone else hates gay people, yay, join the fucking club. But in a year where Proposition 8 and Ammendment 2 passed due to heavy influence and lies from the Churches (primarily the Mormons in CA), hateful homophobia is nearing a high in America, and even in Connecticut "pro family" groups continue to push for legislation eliminating the right for gays to marry or unionize despite polls stating that 2/3 the state would vote against legislation that harms gay marriage, and despite a resounding defeat of a measure that was so transparently worded that it fooled ME.
All this Kraut did was justify gay bashing, gay hating, and gave everyone from the nutjobs to the moderates even more reason to continue to make homosexuals second rate citizens. I've said before that these people won't stop until homosexuality is criminalized throughout America; now, they have even more ammunition, and from the top as well. Let me give a little lesson to you, Benny: if we prevent homosexuality, we affect a small group of people from being allowed to love or be with whoever they want. If we forget the environment, EVERYBODY DIES. But that's OK, since anyone that campaigns against gays is going to heaven, and those of us that actually believe in equality are going to hell, right? Right?
You fuckers want to go to extremes? Here's an extreme: the Catholic Church, and by extension the Mormon Church (who are hypocrites; it's OK to marry 10 women, but not one man. LOL), are hate organizations. How about that, fuckers. And now that I've made Dale and Paul go kaboom as well, I've done my work.
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Then again, in my opinion, religion, being a choice, should never justify any kind of political action. Which... obviously doesn't happen, but... still.
It's one thing to say "this is what I believe". It's another to say "this is what everyone should believe", then legislating it.
Ergo, they are not the ones pushing the legislations on people. If in the past they did stir wars, torture and kill thousands of innocents, and commit several other atrocities, in the present, you can't deny they are only preaching their own beliefs like every religion does. Hell, they are losing influence.
If a government chooses to use religion as a flag that's an issue with the government, not the religion they chose. Similarly, if muslim extremists ram planes into buildings and kill thousands of people in the name of religion, it's an issue with the extremists, not the religion itself. If you look at the scriptures of most religions, all of their teachings are either positive or harmless - it's how people interpret them that becomes twisted.
Note that I'm not defending any teachings. I'm a baptized Catholic but I willingly abandoned the religion because I don't personally agree with how it's conducted. But I have to at least defend their right to preach their beliefs. They have freedom of speech as much as the next person.
That said, I'm not saying these people shouldn't practise what they believe in; I believe in freedom of religion. But that's two way; their religion doesn't give them the right to influence and hurt other people, which is what they're doing. It's not even like the Pope said that Gay Marriage is bad; he said that just BEING gay is! BIG difference!
Part of the reason I'm freaking about this is because it's THE POPE~, and as Heather said below, a LOT of people treat this man's word as being from God itself. That sets in wave a feeling of hatred and strong emotion that is already plenty strong, and is already hurting people the world over who's only crime is loving the wrong person.
Is this statement by the Pope making people on the street hate on gays? Is the Pope saying condoms are bad stopping people from using them in the name of religion?
No.
The religion is the same. Same church, same Pope, same Vatican. This holds true for a LOT of other countries.
Make no mistake about where the root of the homophobia in your country lies. It's cultural. It's mob mentality. If the Pope's statement has that much influence, it isn't because he's stopping by everyone's houses and drilling it into them. It's the people that are the problem. And if you would prefer the Pope and every other authority figure out there to be cautious because people suck - well, so would I, but that's not going to happen. If the head of a church says something against their own preachings, what does that say about the church?
I wouldn't be so upset about this (after all, there's still a lot of intolerant people out there) except for the fact that there's still a TON of people who live and die by every word the pope breathes.
preventing evils of homosexuality = saving the environment? Seriously, man? SERIOUSLY?
Also, transgenderism shouldn't be something you can wave your hands around and pretend doesn't exist.
Prop 8 really annoyed me, being a citizen of California. I mean, aside from how unseemly it is to, in a secular country, ban gay marriage, etc, I just hated being bombarded with the campaigning by both sides. I don't even know what the other propositions were (there was some one about freeways that seemed cool!), all I heard about was this stupid proposition. And, not to sound insensitive, it affected the least amount of people too.
...And "I Kissed a Girl" just came on as I was picking my icon. How appropriate.
...seriously, though. He's a fucktard and I hope he gets a smack to the head like he deserves.
He, as the head of a religion (which is optional, unlikea government), is supposed to do that. The followers and lower priests may compromise or even disregard that issue, but he can't.
Now, you could say that the Church's view on sex are wrong altogether. However, as long as that base stays, there's no way in hell that the Church is going to change their stand on homesexuality.
Anyways, that's my views, though even though these are my views, I don't believe in promiscuity.
That's the Church's doctrine. One should expect a conservative Pope to follow it very tightly.
Why can't that same approach be taken for sex :O
ETA; we have taste buds AND sexual instinct both for the same reason - preservation of the species. Nature wants us to eat and have sex because that'll make us live and have children. Don't mistake that for what the Church wants us to do.
Right and wrong is subjective. You can take a naturalistic approach to something, but saying the next person is wrong for what they believe in only makes you as narrow-minded as they are when they reprimand you.
Edited at 2008-12-25 04:22 am (UTC)
So eating a piece of cake simply because it tastes good is a sin? A SINGLE PIECE OF CAKE.
The only thing you really shouldn't be doing is insult someone else's opinion, is all. Personally, I'm of the opinion people can do whatever strikes their fancy as long as it's not harming someone else, barring extreme cases in which all logic goes out the window, anyway.
You're entitled to having your opinion about people's opinions, too.
I am actually with Crystal on the Mormon issue, and a add a second point to it. There is a major trend of dissonance between what the higher up people in the LDS church believe and what the every day Mormon believes.
I also agree with
(Side tangent: also considered a heresy by the same people who thump the loudest in the US against homosexuality. Well, some of them anyway. They are also anti-catholic. And anti-mormon. It seems the is no unity gained by mutual hatred of other groups)
On the plus side, you could join in with the nutjobs who call him the Antichrist? Not the ones who are joking, but I mean the ones who actually mean it.