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I was typing my thoughts on the new versions of Final Fantasy IV, but that's going to have to wait, sadly.

Let us read last rites for my PS2. This will be, by my count, my FOURTH FUCKING SYSTEM to go down. It's not *down* yet, but might as well be; I had begun having problems with the discs spinning on their spindle, which I eventually learned was because the magnet was weakening on the spindle that holds the disc down. I had to strengthen the magnet somehow. I used another magnet, and I think it was too strong; at least Fight Night Rd. 3 won't play right since. Maybe others will, but to me, this is a matter of time.

So now I'm looking at replacing the system that has the majority of my games. This makes me *displeased*, but it gives me an idea...

Should I get another PS2, and go through the same shit... or get a BC PS3 while I still can?

Both have advantages. First off, the PS3 without backwards compatability plus a PS2 are, at Gamestop, about the same (when talking about the 80GB models). It seems bullshit to keep two separate systems, but since the PS3 would be on HDMI and the PS2 would be on components, that's not too bad of an issue, but the ability to play PS1 games is a must, especially considering the fact that neither Suikoden game emulates well.

(A separate aside, for some reason, I can't put my Wii on components; I have one of those multi-split Gamestop component cable devices that supports all of the systems, and it's in use for the PS3, so that's bollocks and a hat, but even worse, I can't play any older VC games on component cables STILL. What the fuck? I know, there's upscaling issues, but I don't fucking care, if Nintendo was going to do the VC, they needed to figure a way around that issue. Because of those items, I have to have my Wii on the A/V cables, which not only blurs the graphics of games that should be seen in 480p, but also takes up my TV's A/V slot, which should be used on the Dreamcast. Rant over)

So I do have the option of getting a new PS3, but then again, I could also possibly find a fully BC PS3 on the third market, via eBay or Amazon; even a 20GB would do the trick, as I don't use wireless at the house. However, this would rely on the trustworthyness of sellers, which is a bit sketchy, especially as there's no real way to verify that you have a fully BC model - they could easily pull your chain and then claim that you didn't understand what they were saying - in addition to the fact that they're still a hot item. In short, I'm not 100% sure it's worth the risk.

Now, if I decide to get a PS2, I'll likely, eventually upgrade to a PS3 as well; that will take longer, of course, but games like Cross Edge, Disgaea 3, the MLB: The Show series, Valkyrie Chronicles and now The Last Guardian are going to be too much to pass up. I could wait on that, trade in the old PS2 (which will pass the smell test initially, as games still play in it), also trade in my old flat-model PS2 (broken, but hey, trade-in money is trade-in money, and it's sitting around doing nothing), and use all that to get a partially BC PS3, but that will leave me without a PS2 - a system that had 143 games in my collection at my last audit, and likely more now - for a bit of time.

What do you all think?


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Jun. 11th, 2009 11:50 am (UTC)
IMO, just get another PS2. Even Disgaea 3 doesn't make the PS3 worth the money invested (again, IMO).
Jun. 11th, 2009 01:00 pm (UTC)
FYI, IIRC, any PS3 should be able to play PS1 games. It's just PS2 games that have problems.

Also, the serial number on the PS3's label gives indications as to what backwards compatibility the model has. Joystiq has an SKU chart that should list the serial styles for all of the backwards compatible ones. Plus, you could get something in writing (and even take a picture of the auction page), having the seller specify what they mean in their description of the item.

Personally, I would look into the PS3 side, but I wouldn't commit to it quite yet. In the time that you're looking into the above stuff about a PS3, that'll give you time to think over what direction you'd prefer to go. (Also, VC can be pretty cheap at times. Like as early as the third mission. Which I haven't cleared yet. :/)
Jun. 11th, 2009 03:15 pm (UTC)
When you say "any" PS3, does that include the ones that have technically had BC play removed?
Jun. 12th, 2009 02:08 am (UTC)
Model numbers like the following: CECHAxx are 60 gig backwards compatibile. All 60 gig PS3s have the hardware, as do all 20 gigs. 20 gig model numbers are CECHBxx
Jun. 12th, 2009 12:46 pm (UTC)
According to Joystiq ( http://www.joystiq.com/2008/11/17/holidaze-2008-playstation-3-sku-chart-revisited/ ), all of the models on that chart still have PS1 BC. PS2 BC was the only thing that was altered across the iterations of the SKUs. (First, removal of the hardware in place of software emulation, and then removal of that altogether.)
Jun. 11th, 2009 02:02 pm (UTC)
Ironically, the PS3 is $50 off at Amazon.com today. XD

In any case, it's hard to know what to say. If you get another PS2, is it going to have the same problems as your last four? The PS3 doesn't seem to be as bad in that department, but then again that could just be because noisy people are too busy cracking jokes about Microsoft and the red rings of death to notice the elephant covered in bedsheets sneaking across the room.

Hunting down an old-style PS3 is already a difficult task and is only going to get harder as time goes on. (Stupid, stupid, stupid idiotic Sony cutting all the features people actually want.) I wouldn't bother at this point; I'd just get a seperate PS2 system. That's also much cheaper (heck, new PS2 systems are down to $99 bucks now, opposed to the overpriced $400 for just an entry-level PS3) and, after all, according to Ken Kutaragi you're supposed to have to gleefully save up your money to afford his dream making maching/entertainment system/waffle iron.
Jun. 11th, 2009 03:12 pm (UTC)
Don't think shit like what Kutaragi said - and Sony's constant refusals to drop the price back down to human levels - aren't making me seriously pause about getting a system. I kinda want to hear from my PS3 playing friends because they can give me another perspective, but I absolutely loathe Sony and everything about them... it's hard to imagine that I'm eventually going to have to purchase their shitty console. I'd actually consider a used system, if only because Gamestop will see the profit. That's how much I dislike Sony: I'd rather see Gamestop get the money.

I... don't know why Sony decided to shutter the options in the PS3 that we actually wanted. They say it's to cut hardware costs; yay, where's our savings? Furthermore, that's disingenuous, especially if the rumours of them selling PS2 games as a downloadable service for the PSN are true. That would tell me that scuttling BC was a business decision. To me, it makes no sense, and I've yet to see a reason that wasn't completely full of shit yet.

Basically, I'm considering a BC PS3 specifically because the PS2 has been so unreliable. A flat system will burn out, and a big-box... well, they're more reliable, but let's face it, I've owned a PS2 now for seven years, and I've had three of those fail or come close to it. Meanwhile, my NES is only a couple of months younger than my freaking girlfriend, and still works. My Genesis is from 1991, it still works. Yes, the technology is older, but that's not the bloody point. If I get a non-BC PS3, Blu-Ray is going to play a part in that, though a very small one because I so rarely watch movies.

Being a game reviewer also kinda hurts me, as I need a PS3 to do PS3 games. Though to be fair, most of what I want to play on the PS3 is handled by Alex anyway. :P
Jun. 12th, 2009 08:51 pm (UTC)
My Genesis is from 1991, it still works.

As does mine from '93. Rock on. :-)
Jun. 11th, 2009 04:00 pm (UTC)
In Sony's defence: shockingly, Kaz Hirai actually said something smart! http://www.kotaku.com.au/2009/06/the-smartest-playstation-executive-quote-ive-seen-in-a-long-time/
Jun. 11th, 2009 05:35 pm (UTC)
That's the thing about Kaz, though. I love what the guy says. He's always saying smart stuff like that. The problem is, he never backs it up with action; the guy's all talk.

A couple of E3s or so ago, he went on about how Sony had taken a major relations hit because of its attitude and its recent business decisions. He then made a public commitment to do better in the future. I was floored! My respect for Sony at that moment skyrocketed. Unfortunantly, not more than a month later he confirmed that the highly-trumpeted new low price for the low-end PS3 was a ruse to get rid of old stock and that no more were being produced in that price range. Ironically, I think they also confirmed that backwards-compatilibility was being phased out not long after that speech as well.

My opinion of Kaz and Sony has yet to be restored.
Jun. 11th, 2009 09:08 pm (UTC)
Let's face it Chris, you're going to get a PS3 sooner or later so why not now? By the time the PS3 drops in price you'll have burned through a couple more PS2s negating the price savings from that department.

Too bad you don't live in Saudi Arabia, I know this old Pakistani dude that can fix any broken shit of electronics for chump change :) nearly all my recent consoles have went to that necromancer.
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