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(Yes, I say the subject knowing my vote was cast for him in November. I stand by that on the basis that he was the best option. I still think a vote for McCain would have been a catastrophic mistake, especially with Sarah Palin - who is still using her daughters for political gain - as his VP)

http://www.americablog.com/2009/06/obama-justice-department-defends-doma.html

http://www.americablog.com/2009/06/obama-doj-lies-to-politico-in-defending.html

What's funny is that most of the Obama crowd on my list are also stringently for gay rights, with a large percentage of those people being gay themselves, or at least not straight. No one seems to be fucking noticing this shit; they'd rather pay attention to his giving an excused absence to a fourth grader. This is with a nearly iron-clad majority in Congress, mind!

He outright lied to the LGBT community, and no one seems to care or notice... or they pooh-pooh it. Not to mention that it's getting really hard to defend his financial record when he's orchestrating an active stake in failing auto companies.

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vyctori
Jun. 12th, 2009 11:01 pm (UTC)
Repulsive. Abso-fucking-lutely repulsive--and I've only skimmed. If I read any closer, that sick feeling in the pit of my stomach just gets worse. The phrase "fierce advocate" was already a joke in a substantial part of the LGBT community as it was. With this...Christ, I don't know how the man sleeps at night.
superbus
Jun. 12th, 2009 11:39 pm (UTC)
You cannot be a fierce advocate of gay rights when you answer questions on your views with "I believe marriage is between a man and a woman", and advocate a separate but equal compromise. You simply cannot be. It's a weak workaround, and when I realized how weak it was legally, I came off that horse quick (my view used to be to let the religions and the nutballs in them keep their silly "marriages", as I view marriage as a ceremony, as long as gays get full partnership rights, including insurance, adoption and will rights, among many things).

You can't be this weak on a subject like this, assuming he even cares about it. The religious right is fighting this with the equivalent of nuclear warheads; his original stated beliefs were the equivalent of a popgun. His actions are the equivalent of a spy lowering the bridge and letting the enemy in. I'm dumbfounded.
vyctori
Jun. 12th, 2009 11:50 pm (UTC)
A lot of people blame Obama's "I believe marriage is between a man and a woman" for losing on Prop 8 in the first place. Right before that comment, from what I hear (which is along the lines of "a man in the pub said..."), it was looking like a win for Prop 8 was possible. And everyone knows what happened afterwards. That was pretty much what started the long, slow death of Obama's popularity with more than a few American (and Canadian) LGBT community members.

(And yeah, considering how civil unioned gays have been treated in cases like hospital visitation rights, separate but equal isn't equal at all.)

Presumably, Obama wanted the votes of a fairly substantial block. That's what I figure it comes down to at this point. And probably, since LGBTs tend to get shat on in politics all the time by Dems and Repubs alike, he figured the community was expendable and wouldn't mind getting shat on again.

It's ridiculous that Mr. Fierce Advocate isn't looking north and seeing a country with equal marriage at the national level for the last five years, with no problems whatsoever. He doesn't even have to look to the Netherlands (or South Africa or Belgium or Spain or....) to see that the right-wing's bogeymen are exactly that--tales made up to scare people.

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blacken00100
Jun. 12th, 2009 11:57 pm (UTC)
Look at what people close to him--like, say, his pastor--have said about gay folks in the past, and you'll see what his "beliefs" are.
shotglass
Jun. 12th, 2009 11:11 pm (UTC)
Because fucking your sister/brother (though that's another topic that I have thoughts on) and molesting children is totally on the same level as two consenting adults who love each other getting married.

I don't believe that any leader, let alone a political leader, can be good all the time -- not even most of the time -- and this just continues to confirm it.
superbus
Jun. 12th, 2009 11:35 pm (UTC)
(though that's another topic that I have thoughts on)

Details plz
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butter_building
Jun. 12th, 2009 11:15 pm (UTC)
I always knew Obama wasn't a exactly a fan of gays, but he gave me to believe that he'd at least do the right thing when it came to marriage.
sarajayechan
Jun. 12th, 2009 11:15 pm (UTC)
...oh, Obama, why? D: Bad form, man, just...bad form. Not good, not cool.
blacken00100
Jun. 13th, 2009 06:04 am (UTC)
Because he, like all politicians, does not give a fuck about you, what you want, or what you think is right, unless it expedites him getting elected or his owners want done.

Say what you will about the loons on the religious right, but while the right wing in this country is likewise owned by special interests, at least you get the chance to succeed there.
buddhamike
Jun. 12th, 2009 11:21 pm (UTC)
What good is his iron-clad majority if even they have no interest in fighting this?

People will jump on Obama about this, and rightly so. But, as you pointed out, the Dems have an ironclad majority in the House and Senate, and this is nowhere on their agenda. There's blame in all directions.

And for all the people who are disappointed that Obama hasn't upheld 100% of his promises, well, I got some swampland to sell you.
superbus
Jun. 12th, 2009 11:34 pm (UTC)
See, my issue is the cult of personality that permeates from his supporters. He still is flying high on the "can't do anything wrong" cloud, when he's actively backing out of about half his promises. I'm not saying I'm surprised - far from it - but considering the bullshit I still have to absorb from a lot of people - most of whom are smart enough to know better - it's disheartening when I see something like this, because I know these well-intended people got taken for a ride.

Obama is the President of the United States, and oversees a Congress that is completely and almost indomitably in his favour; he's one court decision in MN away from having an unstoppable majority (which is frightening, but hear me out). If he wants this on the agenda - even at a lower priority than the economy, granted - then it's on the agenda. But no, everyone's scared shitless of the Republicans/Neo-Cons. They'd rather not poke the sleeping bear. The Democrats - and Barack is their leader, so I'm picking on him too - are a party of submissive pussies who are scared of the farthest 10% left.
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blacken00100
Jun. 13th, 2009 12:03 am (UTC)
A hundred percent? How about *any*?

Transparency of government? Publicly posted bills somewhere that the populace can comment on? We can't do that, even though we promised it. There are issues that we didn't consider while we were telling you desperate suckers anything we could to get elected.

No raising taxes on anyone making under two hundred grand a year? Not *one* of his plans doesn't do this *while* ballooning the national debt by more than *any* *president* *in* *history*. Why are we doing this? Well, there are issues that we didn't consider while we were telling you desperate suckers anything we could to get elected.

Close Gitmo? Oh, well, sorry, we can't do that as fast as we promised, there are issues that we didn't consider while we were telling you desperate suckers anything we could to get elected.

Iraqiganistan? Oh, well, we can't get out of there as fast as we promised. There are issues that we didn't consider while we were telling you desperate suckers anything we could to get elected.

Foreign policy? Well, we're just going to continue the exact same policies of Bush anywhere that matters (hint: Cuba doesn't matter), we'll dress them up nicely. After all, there are issues that we didn't consider while we were telling you desperate suckers anything we could to get elected.


If you voted for Obama, you were had.
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blacken00100
Jun. 17th, 2009 04:51 pm (UTC)
Pretty much. There's no reason for them to act on it. The gays are a captive audience (although there's pretty compelling reasons to think that McCain would have been much more in favor of gay rights than Messiah Man has been and will be). They'll keep voting Democrat, just like the Christian right-wing idiots will always vote Republican no matter what the Republicans actually do. The difference is that the Republicans actually believe the religious nuts when they say that they'll stay home if the Republicans aren't sucking dick for Jesus.
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